versation all you need to do is head over to CBC News his Facebook page that’s at facebook.com CBC News you can leave your comments in the questions rather the comment section I’m going to use that to help form the discussion and we are hoping to hear from you no matter how you travel the street will that said we also want to show you this new poll this is from Angus Reid and it suggests Canadian seem pre-split on who’s at fault for conflict on the roads the results are predictable cyclist tend to blame drivers drivers point the finger cyclist and the split is also apparent between younger and older Canadians as well but does assigning blame get us any closer to a solution is the debate more about behavior and enforcing the rules or is it about proper info go to speak to two people one of them is Denzil minnan-wong who is a counselor City Council in the city of Toronto they’re also going to reach out to the mayor of Victoria Lisa helps although down here and there were having some technical issues so slow we’re going to have that discussion in a moment right now we’re going to turn our attentions to another story that were following for you that not has to do with a scorching weather on this Canada Day weekend now you’re going to change our plans at all over here from Michigan so we’re going to enjoy every minute bought a new purse to do double duty but even if the stage goes up organizers of the big event say there is such a thing as too hot security of everybody is was Paramount for us with Canadian Heritage this is a consolation is unlikely we try to avoid canceling but it is a possibility but right now the party is on and they’re making sure some of last year’s bottlenecks don’t become a hazard I’ve also put some edges into place in order to ensure that things go faster this year you’ll find a paramedic station at that security line up to get on to Parliament Hill TV ambulances the new vehicles will come in handy with lights with a siren and it’s meant to go through crowd and go places are ambulances can I go I’ll be fitted with equipment and stretchers and officials hope folks take precautions and watch for signs they’re in trouble so you’re really wanted to take that serious so when you start to feel sick to your stomach I get into that shade find air conditioning drink some more if it gets really bad you want to reach out to the pier that are going to be all around downtown or if you need to call nine-one-one to fortune weather now hit a dead end the French territory spending millions of dollars on two new boats able to handle more than walk on traffic but now there is a hitch ever details return to Chris O’Neill Yates Newfoundlands doorstep the ferry Crossing between Fortune Newfoundland to right here and San Pierre is roughly 1 hour so just in time for the Taurus season this year San Pierre miquelon inaugurated to brand new vessels at a cost of five million dollars each the idea was it for the first time in history passengers would be able to take their cars and vehicles and drive on one side and drive off the other because traditionally they’ve only been able to accommodate walk on passengers and the eye here was to enhance the business relationship and the close connections at San Pierre miquelon has enjoyed with Newfoundland and to develop tourism but there’s been a problem with Ash on the fortune side the ferry dock is not ready meaning that it can accommodate cars to drive onto these brand-new ferry so every time they leave the doc either here or St-Pierre these kardex are empty because Fortune doesn’t have the money to finish its dock that’s a problem that the president of time. safale normal has been grappling with over the last couple of years strategy is to attract tourists to will stay here for 4 or 5 days with the recreational vehicles or their tents and naturally mini conomic point-of-view that means much more to our economy and then Taurus to come here for a day or two over and Fortune an older negotiation still ongoing but you know it’s been ongoing too long the ferry is Ronnie so right now it’s a waiting game to see if Fortune couldn’t come up with a million-and-a-half dollars it needs to finish the so that cars can drive on if not the vast tourism and business potential of these brand-new fairies will remain at least for now on Tapped Chris O’Neill Yates CBC News San Pierre miquelon all that back to the panel discussion that we promise to you having to do with bike safety on streets across this country we now know that the streets are certainly becoming more more congested many people very worried by the number of cyclists were being killed on the road but does assigning blame get us any closer to the solution is the debate more about behavior and enforcing the rules or is it about proper infrastructure without I want to invite to gas to the program have both been deeply involved in those debates in their respective cities Lisa helps is the mayor Victoria she joins us right now from the DC capitol and Denzil minnan-wong is a longtime Toronto City councilor he joins us near the downtown bike Network in Toronto to thank you for the two of you for joining us at least I’m going to be getting with you because you have both of you have worked in your own is under different conditions to create separated by claim many people point to those as the solution do you agree with that absolutely if it were safer we’re starting to see here in Victoria they’re using this new infrastructure so it’s absolutely the answer to creating safety on the road separated from the other Road users like are pretty bad on our roads and so we’re trying to get our heads around what the proper solution is in terms of dressing addressing this particular issue bike Lanes I think or act changing the physical infrastructure on our roads it’s part of the solution but it’s what I think broader issue that need to be addressed as well I’ll take a page from what my marriage on Tori said he said he said people aren’t as considerate as they used to be until we have to understand why all three uses of the road pedestrian cyclist and drivers why is it are happening in and who contributes to this what type of Behavioral attributes of happened over the last number of years to see such a spike and once we get that date in and and and we can do that research we should we should we can start the fashion a proper and comprehensive solution because of that behavior and I do want to play here for you a clip from a former cyclist who says that he used to ride but his now thought about it twice hey used to bike and I know that I never paid attention to any rule never I roll through stop sign stop light it didn’t matter what the rules were that do and I see a lot of that going on so I know that where we are going but I don’t know that the fight was have to take a lot of responsibility to Lisa what do you say to that you bike Lanes have been the go-to solution for a lot of people but as we heard from cancer minnan-wong and Toronto and and that farmer bike Network user that a lot of it has to do with behavior and some of that behavior is cyclist bad behavior on the roads absolutely everybody do the roads and the sidewalks whether a pedestrian someone on a bicycle or car absolutely needs to follow the rules of the road 100% And if people follow the rules take away a lot of the possibility of conflict so I completely agree with that and at the same time following the rules of the road isn’t enough if we don’t have the separated infrastructure because that really is what keeps people safe here in the planes that were standing by right here in Victoria cars actually cannot physically get into the lane and so it’s that little bit of extra protection that’s needed but absolutely everybody following the rules of the road and everybody paying attention is what we’ll make that a successful City in that about a road like Toronto Vancouver or 1 and Montreal these are roads that are very very you busy at with or without Behavior improving separated by claims is an insurance that people will not be killed what do you say to that I think we also have a lot of them have been hurt as well what do we do about that I think there are other pieces that we should consider to the role of technology in in in the cycling and pedestrian so if people have their that they text in their cars which is a huge problem in our cyclists and putting them cell rest when they have their ear buds in their ears pedestrians who aren’t paying attention because they’re they’re texting or or they’re not paying attention when they’re crossing the street there are a lot of elements here that we have to we have to consider certainly bike lanes are or something like to do but in in the city of Toronto congestions the real problem and when you start to take out that capacity capacity you are making it harder and harder to get around the city of Toronto and congestion is a real concern to Justin being a realtor you think when you hear that well what I think and what I know and what we know from other cities is when you build a complete Network that’s safe for people of all ages and abilities car congestion actually starts to go down so the that we’ve been drawing on about 60% of people would cycled would get out of their cars if it was safe for them to do so so what we’re doing here as quickly as possible is building What’s called the minimum Bridge so that people from the places they lived places they work to the places are kids go to ballet lessons or childcare so that people can get from A to B to see Daddy safely and what that actually does overtime the research shows is it decreases can cycle but don’t right now actually starts Lisa let me jump in Lisa let me jump in sorry I was running out of time here on News Network or going to continue the conversation on Facebook news network stay with us the conversation. Containing face for those who want to continue to listen and as promised we continue the conversation right now on Facebook Lisa sorry to have cut you off there and I can close out your thoughts they’re about to share gross space people start to use that instead of taking the car since you know my acupuncturist is a perfect example she’s got two young kids they come downtown everyday and before we built this 4th Street Corridor here behind us he would take her two kids the car everyday and take them downtown once we built this Lane which pretty much connector station to her house she bought a bike that you can put her two kids on the back of an everyday bikes downtown with her kids so that’s one less car suggesting the Rosa Victoria you know Denzel as we have this our conversation I do wonder how much of this is about money though cuz we’re focusing on behaviors but if all the money in the world is there to build a separated bike lane and therefore and make sure the bike users are safe and take congestion off of would that not hell is this just an issue of money I think it’s consider one thing one thing to consider is I don’t think I don’t believe you can put separated bike Lanes in the city of Toronto on every single Street the other thing that to take into consideration as well is the number of people who are driving has increased it will continue to increase for the fish future all across the country there been some studies how to Queens University university one thing for sure is there going to be more car drivers and so we have to we have to address that particular issue and so so taking it more capacity is not the solution cities moving some questions here because of me on Facebook we have people asking questions of the two of you right now and I’m going to begin with Marie Etherington because he ask the following question says licensing cyclist requiring test and fees would help cars pay fees why not bicycles testing would ensure good behavior do you think that is something that we should be considering we test drivers wonder why not cycling Society here Bike To Work Week Society we also have people that are starting businesses teaching bike lessons so absolutely important as we have enough on our place we’re not going to life cycle here in British Columbia cars are licensed by the provincial body ICBC so it’s provincial government wants to life and cyclist killed her boots. Fine but from our point of view that’s not something the city’s going to take on but we absolutely are going to do educational effort when we opened our new bike Lanes here we actually took people on torso they learn how to use the network so absolutely agree well I think that one of the things that we have to encourage it active Transportation so if we can get people at exercising that’s a great thing you don’t want to a licensing system it’s going to discourage for example kids from learning how to ride bike by the same token I’m at some point in time and what are studies in tronto of found is is that the costs are are are fairly fairly prohibited but we might have to look Beyond them because if we’re look if there is an enforcement problem one of the force of law is having identification system so that might be something that we might have to revisit down the road so perhaps identification of Licensing altogether I want to bring in another question you this is from Brandon play who says on YouTube should bikes be allowed to be on the road if there are no bike Lanes Lisa what you think there is yes because people riding bikes have along with pedestrians the lightest impact in terms of greenhouse gas emissions we need more people taking Transit we need more people on bikes and we need more people walking so I think place do take your life in their hand when they’re sharing roads with cars but of course they should be allowed on the road because there’s a lightest impact along with pedestrians the lightest impact in terms of God climate change and that certainly part of the reason we’re building at our Network here ask you the question I want to paint a picture for people outside Toronto because in Toronto there are bike Lanes on a three major roads I have closer to the business area of Toronto without Richmond as well Adelaide in Kingston for people are riding their bikes on roads even without those bikes what do you think should bikes be allowed on roads that don’t have separated by flight sure I I I think I should be allowed in all roads I would hope that cyclist would use the opportunity to use I separated bike Lanes where they can that’s why we’re trying to build a network that gives options to go north-south or East-West more interesting question is should bike Lanes be allowed when no one’s using the example I know this is really frustrating in the wintertime in the middle of January should you know what yet roads are completely jammed and congested and you look down the bike lane and there’s no one using it is that is that a proper use of resources so what do you think Lisa it may not be snow I’ve also lived in British Columbia reported British Columbia and it rains it rains hard yes absolutely if you look at places in Europe it’s just as cold as it isn’t Toronto Copenhagen and so on work out during the winter time it’s not as realistic but I think we need to have infrastructure that gives people the option of Stacy all year round who’s in Winnipeg who says that in Winnipeg if a cyclist breaks a rule on the road they face highway traffic fines and demerits on their driver’s license he is that something that happens to Ontario and BC should that be something that happens in Ontario and BC Dental so I I think if it doesn’t happen it should happen you know they’re using a road that they’re using a road if they’re not respecting the rules of the road or the loft there should be a similar consequences as as drivers have to face Lisa I don’t think there’s any difference for sample if someone’s caught texting on their bicycle in there they’re creating a safety hazard that someone is driving in the car is creating a safety hazard Lisa what do you say to that yeah I agree with that it does assume that somebody who’s riding a bicycle also has a driver’s license in to go back to somewhat one of the things that the counselor said earlier the research that I’ve read actually shows for the first time in history in this is mostly Usry I think it’s the same for Canada for the first time in history what were starting to see is less vehicle miles traveled and that means that the millennial generation of those asses I’m actually aren’t necessarily as interested in getting a license or as or as in having a car I think we’re actually going to see overtime vehicle miles traveled going down not up so you know the question may become irrelevant does people on their bikes are not always going to have driver’s license isn’t Victoria that’s what I can tell you debate is evidenced by the fact that we have here they’re the mayor of Victoria and a counselor from the city of Toronto this debate has National implications in fact every major communities talking about biking infrastructure and showing the people are safe on the road and I do Wonder will there be a greater role for the federal government this is a major piece of infrastructure that we were talking about should the federal government be more involved in investing in this type of infrastructure what do you think Lisa show in Halifax this year at the Federation of Canadian Mist alities conference which is all the elected officials from across the country to resolution one plank of the motion that was about doing more research before actually adopting it in that that was actually struck out by amendments because we’ve got enough research we know what the issues are we know that infrastructure create opportunities for the Border the Federal Department of Transportation in the US has taken a very very active role so yes absolutely I think there’s room for Ottawa because otherwise responsible for delivering things like health care and active Transportation overtime decreases Healthcare cost National active Transportation strategy and funding from Ottawa absolutely important I’ll take any money that the federal government wants to give the city of Toronto at anytime any day any time the regulation I don’t think that really works even within the city of Toronto one piece of one Community is different from another community in and I think there has to be a recognition that Solutions in Victoria are probably different than Solutions in Toronto Washington Don Mills are different than Solutions in Cabbagetown what do you do then though because you know what this this is a bit of a national issue and you talked about biking Behavior but how do you even police that’s not as if you’re going to take entradas example Toronto police away from guns and gangs and have them Patrol bike Lanes make sure everyone’s following the rules of the law in terms of enforcement that falls to the local municipalities and so I would I would agree to the extent that more resources need to be dedicated on the roadways for cyclist cyclist motorist for all Road users okay well I was going to take one more look at the Facebook feed to see if you have anymore questions from people at home but at this point I think our conversation is wrapping up so I want to thank to the the two of you for your time today Lisa helps the mayor of Victoria and Toronto City councilor Denzil minnan-wong thank you for this thank you thank you very much bye byeWhat needs to be done to make Canada’s roads safer? CBC’s Michael Serapio is putting your questions about drivers and cyclists to panellists Denzil Minnan-Wong, Toronto Deputy Mayor and Lisa Helps, Mayor of Victoria at 12:20 p.m. ET. Ask them in the chat.
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